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		<title>By: Jon Ingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Ingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stowe,

This is the best post I've seen on this subject (other than my own!).

I agree with all your points as far down as when you suggest that it might be fitting to focus on the process and not its outcomes.

I think this would be a hugely dangerous approach (in terms of its potential to take us down various blind alleys.)

My diagnosis is slightly different - it was the original outcome that was wrong ie the outcome isn't the use of social media.

In my blog, I suggest the appropriate outcome is the creation of social capital (so the social business is one that invests in developing social capital).

You'll find the post here: http://blog.social-advantage.com/2009/09/my-further-thoughts-on-social-business.html.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stowe,</p>
<p>This is the best post I&#8217;ve seen on this subject (other than my own!).</p>
<p>I agree with all your points as far down as when you suggest that it might be fitting to focus on the process and not its outcomes.</p>
<p>I think this would be a hugely dangerous approach (in terms of its potential to take us down various blind alleys.)</p>
<p>My diagnosis is slightly different - it was the original outcome that was wrong ie the outcome isn&#8217;t the use of social media.</p>
<p>In my blog, I suggest the appropriate outcome is the creation of social capital (so the social business is one that invests in developing social capital).</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll find the post here: <a href="http://blog.social-advantage.com/2009/09/my-further-thoughts-on-social-business.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.social-advantage.com/2009/09/my-further-thoughts-on-social-business.html</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Happe</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2009/09/social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-62138</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Happe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stowe -

This is a great conversation and one I struggle with a bit because I hear so much of the Enterprise 2.0 chatter being around the technical architectures of the social applications being deployed. I don't think that fans of the term necessarily want to limit the discussion to and yet, it keeps being discussed in more IT-centric circles.

I am a firm believer that we are moving toward more networked organizational structures. I am a strong believer that structure and incentives drive employee (or partner/customer) behavior.

Just like the Internet changed information structures from hierarchies to networked, it is now driving the same in human organization structures.  The people who understand how the web changes information exchange have a generally better grasp on how you might change organizational structures.

I started calling this the Social Enterprise/Social Organization toward the end of 2007 (see my IDC report The Social Enterprise: How Social Networking Changes Everything). But ultimately, the semantics don't matter... the structure, management, business process, leadership, measurement and cultural changes do. So, not sure where I come down on what we should be calling this but we do need to communicate that it is much bigger than just one aspect of a business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stowe -</p>
<p>This is a great conversation and one I struggle with a bit because I hear so much of the Enterprise 2.0 chatter being around the technical architectures of the social applications being deployed. I don&#8217;t think that fans of the term necessarily want to limit the discussion to and yet, it keeps being discussed in more IT-centric circles.</p>
<p>I am a firm believer that we are moving toward more networked organizational structures. I am a strong believer that structure and incentives drive employee (or partner/customer) behavior.</p>
<p>Just like the Internet changed information structures from hierarchies to networked, it is now driving the same in human organization structures.  The people who understand how the web changes information exchange have a generally better grasp on how you might change organizational structures.</p>
<p>I started calling this the Social Enterprise/Social Organization toward the end of 2007 (see my IDC report The Social Enterprise: How Social Networking Changes Everything). But ultimately, the semantics don&#8217;t matter&#8230; the structure, management, business process, leadership, measurement and cultural changes do. So, not sure where I come down on what we should be calling this but we do need to communicate that it is much bigger than just one aspect of a business.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Marie McEwan</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2009/09/social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-61320</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Marie McEwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>" ‘Social’ in this context suggests something different, namely that social connection, between people, should be the dominant modality for conceptualizing the workings of the business ..."

Karl Weick, in his classic Social Psychology of Organising, does exactly that. He says that the double interact is "the stable component in organisational growth and decay". An interact is where someone says or does something and I respond. Their reaction to my response is a double interact. 

Social flows of human intractions, networks of double interacts, are made transparent by social technologies, geographically distributed and connected online by location-independent working, and are breaching multiple boundaries - including national, organisational, cultural, demographic and professional. 

"it might be fitting to focus on process and not its outcomes" - I think both; one implies the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; ‘Social’ in this context suggests something different, namely that social connection, between people, should be the dominant modality for conceptualizing the workings of the business &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Karl Weick, in his classic Social Psychology of Organising, does exactly that. He says that the double interact is &#8220;the stable component in organisational growth and decay&#8221;. An interact is where someone says or does something and I respond. Their reaction to my response is a double interact. </p>
<p>Social flows of human intractions, networks of double interacts, are made transparent by social technologies, geographically distributed and connected online by location-independent working, and are breaching multiple boundaries - including national, organisational, cultural, demographic and professional. </p>
<p>&#8220;it might be fitting to focus on process and not its outcomes&#8221; - I think both; one implies the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Stowe Boyd</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2009/09/social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-60027</link>
		<dc:creator>Stowe Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tammy - 

The Yin/Yang dance of tools and techniques has been discussed for decades in the context of business change. That's not changed.

I am uncertain of your characterization of a '2.0 world where performance-based relationships are key' -- that sounds like the last vestiges of industrial taylorism, where the individual is a cog in a machine judged only on meeting others' expectations, and the company holds all the cards.

'Social' in this context suggests something different, namely that social connection, between people, should be the dominant modality for conceptualizing the workings of the business, not disembodied business processes. It has its toots in the rise of the social web -- social networks, social media -- and should not be considered frivolous: it is an earnest and apt term.

Collaboration has had its day. It was a byword of the ill-fated knowledge management credo of the 90s. Collaboration was about streamlining knowledge work through group-based tools: so-called 'groupware'. 

Social tools do not start with the group, however. They start with the individual, or as I sometimes say, 'social = me first'. And then, these tools support connection through social relationships, not principally through groups. This difference may seem subtle, but like so many other revolutionary ideas, big things flow from small changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tammy - </p>
<p>The Yin/Yang dance of tools and techniques has been discussed for decades in the context of business change. That&#8217;s not changed.</p>
<p>I am uncertain of your characterization of a &#8216;2.0 world where performance-based relationships are key&#8217; &#8212; that sounds like the last vestiges of industrial taylorism, where the individual is a cog in a machine judged only on meeting others&#8217; expectations, and the company holds all the cards.</p>
<p>&#8216;Social&#8217; in this context suggests something different, namely that social connection, between people, should be the dominant modality for conceptualizing the workings of the business, not disembodied business processes. It has its toots in the rise of the social web &#8212; social networks, social media &#8212; and should not be considered frivolous: it is an earnest and apt term.</p>
<p>Collaboration has had its day. It was a byword of the ill-fated knowledge management credo of the 90s. Collaboration was about streamlining knowledge work through group-based tools: so-called &#8216;groupware&#8217;. </p>
<p>Social tools do not start with the group, however. They start with the individual, or as I sometimes say, &#8217;social = me first&#8217;. And then, these tools support connection through social relationships, not principally through groups. This difference may seem subtle, but like so many other revolutionary ideas, big things flow from small changes.</p>
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		<title>By: JT Maloney</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2009/09/social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-59970</link>
		<dc:creator>JT Maloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - Here's a rant on the same theme. http://bit.ly/2FIrBt -j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi - Here&#8217;s a rant on the same theme. <a href="http://bit.ly/2FIrBt" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2FIrBt</a> -j</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy Erickson</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2009/09/social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-59832</link>
		<dc:creator>Tammy Erickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever it is, it's a time of major change -- toward organizational approaches that are fundamentally different from those that made sense for the past several centuries.  We all know that technology is the critical enabler, but by no means a sufficient agent for change -- particularly when we're wrestling with practices and structures that based on deeply embedded and long-held assumptions.  For example, many of our employment practices stem from a hundred years ago when businesses were competing on the basis of scale and cost; they embed an implicit trade-off between loyalty on the part of the employee (to the organization and the hierarchical manager) and protection and care.  This assumption just doesn't work in 2.0 world where performance-based relationships are key.  And there are many other examples -- the need to re-think the organization broadly seems clear.  

But, what's the best term for this broader organizational concept?  I am not keen on "social business."  As Andy McAfee argues in his upcoming book, "social" is perhaps accurate, but it is also an unfortunate choice of word for the technology and certainly for the enterprise.  In the business world, "social" just doesn't resonate -- and whether we like it or not, it connotes a level of frivolousness that doesn't encourage business people to grapple with the serious challenges ahead.

I think something related to collaboration -- the Collaborative Enterprise, Extended Collaboration -- conveys business purpose more accurately.  The application of 2.0 technology to business is about bringing ideas together, it's about collaboration.  The folks at nGenera, with whom I collaborate for part of my time, are using the phrase "Managing the Collaborative Enterprise" and having good success in sparking both the imagination -- and the energy to act -- of business leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever it is, it&#8217;s a time of major change &#8212; toward organizational approaches that are fundamentally different from those that made sense for the past several centuries.  We all know that technology is the critical enabler, but by no means a sufficient agent for change &#8212; particularly when we&#8217;re wrestling with practices and structures that based on deeply embedded and long-held assumptions.  For example, many of our employment practices stem from a hundred years ago when businesses were competing on the basis of scale and cost; they embed an implicit trade-off between loyalty on the part of the employee (to the organization and the hierarchical manager) and protection and care.  This assumption just doesn&#8217;t work in 2.0 world where performance-based relationships are key.  And there are many other examples &#8212; the need to re-think the organization broadly seems clear.  </p>
<p>But, what&#8217;s the best term for this broader organizational concept?  I am not keen on &#8220;social business.&#8221;  As Andy McAfee argues in his upcoming book, &#8220;social&#8221; is perhaps accurate, but it is also an unfortunate choice of word for the technology and certainly for the enterprise.  In the business world, &#8220;social&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t resonate &#8212; and whether we like it or not, it connotes a level of frivolousness that doesn&#8217;t encourage business people to grapple with the serious challenges ahead.</p>
<p>I think something related to collaboration &#8212; the Collaborative Enterprise, Extended Collaboration &#8212; conveys business purpose more accurately.  The application of 2.0 technology to business is about bringing ideas together, it&#8217;s about collaboration.  The folks at nGenera, with whom I collaborate for part of my time, are using the phrase &#8220;Managing the Collaborative Enterprise&#8221; and having good success in sparking both the imagination &#8212; and the energy to act &#8212; of business leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Rotkapchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rotkapchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As well, it is more important that we grow into a deeper understanding of what Enterprise 2.0 IS (not what it's purported to be).

This new presentation by Oscar Berg (@oscarberg) does a great job of illustrating the significance of the possibilities: http://twurl.nl/uu6nsw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As well, it is more important that we grow into a deeper understanding of what Enterprise 2.0 IS (not what it&#8217;s purported to be).</p>
<p>This new presentation by Oscar Berg (@oscarberg) does a great job of illustrating the significance of the possibilities: <a href="http://twurl.nl/uu6nsw" rel="nofollow">http://twurl.nl/uu6nsw</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rotkapchen</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2009/09/social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-59644</link>
		<dc:creator>Rotkapchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martijn: Design is the MOST important word in the phrase. Indeed, it is even more important because the typical way of 'seeing' design is the way by which you describe it -- as a phase. This is erroneous (and is further denatured by many methodologies).

Design is the beginning, the end, the middle: it's everything.

The significance of it, and the depth of its impact is but briefly alluded to in this piece that ties the critical nature of complexity science to business organization http://bit.ly/gWrBd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martijn: Design is the MOST important word in the phrase. Indeed, it is even more important because the typical way of &#8217;seeing&#8217; design is the way by which you describe it &#8212; as a phase. This is erroneous (and is further denatured by many methodologies).</p>
<p>Design is the beginning, the end, the middle: it&#8217;s everything.</p>
<p>The significance of it, and the depth of its impact is but briefly alluded to in this piece that ties the critical nature of complexity science to business organization <a href="http://bit.ly/gWrBd" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/gWrBd</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm comfortable with Enterprise 2.0, less comfortable with 'social business' . For a start, let's tackle Dennis Howlett' s criticism. Managers aren't interested in the emergent enterprise, and the case studies are thin on the ground?  Sounds like Business School culture to me, the cry of people with MBA's who don't want to think long-term, they want to know which management fad to apply this quarter. 

We're in a recession because not enough managers listened to economists like Paul David and Carlota Perez who were warning that paradigm shifts are decades long, difficult and messy. When a single Blackberry has more information processing power than  NASA used to put men on the moon,  you know that work is going to be organized differently, just as factories changed when they replaced the big steam engine at the end of the line with a hundred electric dynamos along the production line. 

In that context, I feel that "Enterprise 2.0" does a good job of signalling that we should think about how Web 2.0 impacts on running corporations, and how we might organize production differently.  

But does it help to call this new stuff "social business"? Not really, because Ford and Carnegie and Watson and Courtauld, their businesses were social, too. What people are talking about today is something we might call Peak Hierarchy. It no longer makes any sense to have a separate class of people who manage, who supervise other people's work and direct them around.   

Nowadays, there are hardly any jobs for people who can't think for themselves. We all have to be able to think for ourselves, process information, communicate well, collaborate with our peers, and improvise. It's The End of Management As We Know It, (And I Feel Fine.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m comfortable with Enterprise 2.0, less comfortable with &#8217;social business&#8217; . For a start, let&#8217;s tackle Dennis Howlett&#8217; s criticism. Managers aren&#8217;t interested in the emergent enterprise, and the case studies are thin on the ground?  Sounds like Business School culture to me, the cry of people with MBA&#8217;s who don&#8217;t want to think long-term, they want to know which management fad to apply this quarter. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re in a recession because not enough managers listened to economists like Paul David and Carlota Perez who were warning that paradigm shifts are decades long, difficult and messy. When a single Blackberry has more information processing power than  NASA used to put men on the moon,  you know that work is going to be organized differently, just as factories changed when they replaced the big steam engine at the end of the line with a hundred electric dynamos along the production line. </p>
<p>In that context, I feel that &#8220;Enterprise 2.0&#8243; does a good job of signalling that we should think about how Web 2.0 impacts on running corporations, and how we might organize production differently.  </p>
<p>But does it help to call this new stuff &#8220;social business&#8221;? Not really, because Ford and Carnegie and Watson and Courtauld, their businesses were social, too. What people are talking about today is something we might call Peak Hierarchy. It no longer makes any sense to have a separate class of people who manage, who supervise other people&#8217;s work and direct them around.   </p>
<p>Nowadays, there are hardly any jobs for people who can&#8217;t think for themselves. We all have to be able to think for ourselves, process information, communicate well, collaborate with our peers, and improvise. It&#8217;s The End of Management As We Know It, (And I Feel Fine.)</p>
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		<title>By: Martijn Linssen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martijn Linssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great  blog, spot on

With regards to the Enterprise 2.0 fatigue, someone coined the term "social business" which I like a lot better. I'd leave out the word Design as that indicates this very phase at this very moment

We're all becoming globally connected on and at an ever-increasing scale and pace. This will certainly affect business as we know it, and in my opinion force a re-evaluation of the role of traditional management, delivery and sales. "Power to the people" seems to be come a reality, I wonder what this will mean with regards to the traditional political model as well, in due time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great  blog, spot on</p>
<p>With regards to the Enterprise 2.0 fatigue, someone coined the term &#8220;social business&#8221; which I like a lot better. I&#8217;d leave out the word Design as that indicates this very phase at this very moment</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all becoming globally connected on and at an ever-increasing scale and pace. This will certainly affect business as we know it, and in my opinion force a re-evaluation of the role of traditional management, delivery and sales. &#8220;Power to the people&#8221; seems to be come a reality, I wonder what this will mean with regards to the traditional political model as well, in due time&#8230;</p>
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