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		<title>By: Venkat</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2008/12/the-hit-by-a-bus-social-media-roi-method/comment-page-1/#comment-13562</link>
		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christop:

I started the CMM series here: &lt;a href="http://enterprise2blog.com/2009/01/a-social-media-capability-maturity-model-part-i/" rel="nofollow"&gt; Part 1&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://enterprise2blog.com/2009/01/a-social-media-capability-maturity-model-part-ii/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Part 2&lt;/a&gt;.

Not sure if I will continue it, since I am beginning to think a blog is not the right place for such a detailed drill down into IT and biz strategy. We'll see.

Venkat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christop:</p>
<p>I started the CMM series here: <a href="http://enterprise2blog.com/2009/01/a-social-media-capability-maturity-model-part-i/" rel="nofollow"> Part 1</a>, and <a href="http://enterprise2blog.com/2009/01/a-social-media-capability-maturity-model-part-ii/" rel="nofollow">Part 2</a>.</p>
<p>Not sure if I will continue it, since I am beginning to think a blog is not the right place for such a detailed drill down into IT and biz strategy. We&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Venkat</p>
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		<title>By: Christoph Rauhut</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2008/12/the-hit-by-a-bus-social-media-roi-method/comment-page-1/#comment-13535</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoph Rauhut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Venkat,

whats about your announced social media capability maturity model (CMM)? I'm very interesting in it. I also thought about a more holistic intranet maturity model.

I would like to stay in contact with you.

Kind regards,

Christoph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Venkat,</p>
<p>whats about your announced social media capability maturity model (CMM)? I&#8217;m very interesting in it. I also thought about a more holistic intranet maturity model.</p>
<p>I would like to stay in contact with you.</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>Christoph</p>
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		<title>By: Hareesh Ram Chanchali</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2008/12/the-hit-by-a-bus-social-media-roi-method/comment-page-1/#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator>Hareesh Ram Chanchali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article. Venkatesh.
Looking forward for your further stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article. Venkatesh.<br />
Looking forward for your further stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Venkat</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2008/12/the-hit-by-a-bus-social-media-roi-method/comment-page-1/#comment-1921</link>
		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the build Kyle.

Adam: I've dabbled enough in amateur scriptwriting and &lt;a href="http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2008/01/22/mousetrap-20-a-comicbook/" rel="nofollow"&gt;comicbook making&lt;/a&gt; to know that this would make an absolutely terrible script for either a podcast or animation :) 

Adding characterizations, a dramatic arc, and more human dialog (as opposed to alternating soliloquies) would be necessary to make this a compelling podcast-drama or animation. From my own experience, that takes about 10x more thought and work than this type of post does.

So... are you volunteering to help? Heh heh.

Venkat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the build Kyle.</p>
<p>Adam: I&#8217;ve dabbled enough in amateur scriptwriting and <a href="http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2008/01/22/mousetrap-20-a-comicbook/" rel="nofollow">comicbook making</a> to know that this would make an absolutely terrible script for either a podcast or animation :) </p>
<p>Adding characterizations, a dramatic arc, and more human dialog (as opposed to alternating soliloquies) would be necessary to make this a compelling podcast-drama or animation. From my own experience, that takes about 10x more thought and work than this type of post does.</p>
<p>So&#8230; are you volunteering to help? Heh heh.</p>
<p>Venkat</p>
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		<title>By: Adam R.</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2008/12/the-hit-by-a-bus-social-media-roi-method/comment-page-1/#comment-1911</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm definitely adding this "conversation" to my bag of resources. What I'd love to see (or create) is a series of these as videos or animation shorts. Would make a great podcast... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m definitely adding this &#8220;conversation&#8221; to my bag of resources. What I&#8217;d love to see (or create) is a series of these as videos or animation shorts. Would make a great podcast&#8230; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Klyde Beattie</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2008/12/the-hit-by-a-bus-social-media-roi-method/comment-page-1/#comment-1904</link>
		<dc:creator>Klyde Beattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Venkatesh,

I really agree with this point:

"And one going to a prepared customer partly won-over through participation in design and testing, and more forgiving of remaining issues due to his sense of co-ownership and direct relationships with people deep inside the company."

If your people are not communicating that creates a disconnect in the initial parts of the product cycle, when reaching early adopters is critical. I wouldn't call this speculative at all. Perhaps the benefits of internal communication are a bit speculative, and it would certainly vary depending on your companies structure.

I can't wait to see your model that is coming out January.
Bookmarked this in SU, I can think of a lot of people who need to read this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Venkatesh,</p>
<p>I really agree with this point:</p>
<p>&#8220;And one going to a prepared customer partly won-over through participation in design and testing, and more forgiving of remaining issues due to his sense of co-ownership and direct relationships with people deep inside the company.&#8221;</p>
<p>If your people are not communicating that creates a disconnect in the initial parts of the product cycle, when reaching early adopters is critical. I wouldn&#8217;t call this speculative at all. Perhaps the benefits of internal communication are a bit speculative, and it would certainly vary depending on your companies structure.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to see your model that is coming out January.<br />
Bookmarked this in SU, I can think of a lot of people who need to read this.</p>
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		<title>By: Venkat</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2008/12/the-hit-by-a-bus-social-media-roi-method/comment-page-1/#comment-1902</link>
		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan:

Excellent point about potential circularity. I prefer to view it as a positive-feedback/critical mass effect though. At some point all network technologies rely on the 'fax machine' effect-- it is only worth owning one when enough of the people you interact with use one.

That said, I do believe in my leap of faith here that it will be successful in most contexts, and that all setbacks will be temporary. This is simple Darwinian logic: if SOMEBODY in your industry gets it right and you don't, they'll gain at your expense and eventually marginalize you or cause you to go extinct.

So yes, individual failures may scuttle particular approaches and delay adoption at a company/function/workflow, but once somebody/anybody gets it right, the death-watch clock starts ticking for those who don't.

I also find it curious that we somehow seem to have different expectations of social media. ALL sufficiently systemic/network-based technologies face the same barrier, go through a hype cycle, disruption pattern, what have you. Copiers, typewriters, PCs. In all cases, if the underlying value is genuine (which you never know except with hindsight), initial lost battles do not change the outcome of the war.

Venkat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:</p>
<p>Excellent point about potential circularity. I prefer to view it as a positive-feedback/critical mass effect though. At some point all network technologies rely on the &#8216;fax machine&#8217; effect&#8211; it is only worth owning one when enough of the people you interact with use one.</p>
<p>That said, I do believe in my leap of faith here that it will be successful in most contexts, and that all setbacks will be temporary. This is simple Darwinian logic: if SOMEBODY in your industry gets it right and you don&#8217;t, they&#8217;ll gain at your expense and eventually marginalize you or cause you to go extinct.</p>
<p>So yes, individual failures may scuttle particular approaches and delay adoption at a company/function/workflow, but once somebody/anybody gets it right, the death-watch clock starts ticking for those who don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I also find it curious that we somehow seem to have different expectations of social media. ALL sufficiently systemic/network-based technologies face the same barrier, go through a hype cycle, disruption pattern, what have you. Copiers, typewriters, PCs. In all cases, if the underlying value is genuine (which you never know except with hindsight), initial lost battles do not change the outcome of the war.</p>
<p>Venkat</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2008/12/the-hit-by-a-bus-social-media-roi-method/comment-page-1/#comment-1901</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this example cannot help but be contrived, but the problem with your basic argument is that it is circular.  Essentially you are assuming a) that social networking is effective, and b) because it is effective, everyone will adopt it and use it to its capacity.  As a result, your thought experiment concludes that there is a positive ROI.  However, isn't a possitive ROI essentially equivilent to just saying it's effective?

I (too) am a technilogy evangelist, but the biggest barriers to a positive ROI from implementing 2.0 technologies are (ironically) social barriers.  Even if a technology meets specific needs and has the POTENTIAL to have a positive ROI, a couple of well-placed cynics can render it ineffective.  Heck, they dion't have to be cynics, they could just be people who are overworked, and don't have time to experiment with new technologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this example cannot help but be contrived, but the problem with your basic argument is that it is circular.  Essentially you are assuming a) that social networking is effective, and b) because it is effective, everyone will adopt it and use it to its capacity.  As a result, your thought experiment concludes that there is a positive ROI.  However, isn&#8217;t a possitive ROI essentially equivilent to just saying it&#8217;s effective?</p>
<p>I (too) am a technilogy evangelist, but the biggest barriers to a positive ROI from implementing 2.0 technologies are (ironically) social barriers.  Even if a technology meets specific needs and has the POTENTIAL to have a positive ROI, a couple of well-placed cynics can render it ineffective.  Heck, they dion&#8217;t have to be cynics, they could just be people who are overworked, and don&#8217;t have time to experiment with new technologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Strzok</title>
		<link>http://enterprise2blog.com/2008/12/the-hit-by-a-bus-social-media-roi-method/comment-page-1/#comment-1886</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett Strzok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rao,

As a fellow Social Software Evangelist, I run across this same discussion often. Thank you for sharing your conversational tactics here. I will be looking forward to your article in January. Additionally, if you would like to have another set of eyes on your model, I would be glad to give it a once over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rao,</p>
<p>As a fellow Social Software Evangelist, I run across this same discussion often. Thank you for sharing your conversational tactics here. I will be looking forward to your article in January. Additionally, if you would like to have another set of eyes on your model, I would be glad to give it a once over.</p>
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