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Venkatesh Rao

You’d think Knowledge Management (KM), that venerable IT-based social engineering discipline which came up with evocative phrases like “community of practice,” “expertise locater,” and “knowledge capture,” would be in the vanguard of the 2.0 revolution. You’d be wrong. Inside organizations and at industry fora today, every other conversation around social media (SM) and Enterprise 2.0 seems to turn into a thinly-veiled skirmish within an industry-wide KM-SM shadow war. I suppose I must be a little dense, because it took not one, not two, but three separate incidents before I realized there was a war on. Here’s what’s going on: KM and SM look very similar on the surface, but are actually radically different at multiple levels, both cultural and technical, and are locked in an undeclared cultural war for the soul of Enterprise 2.0. And the most hilarious part is that most of the combatants don’t even realize they are in a war. They think they are loosely-aligned and working towards the same ends, with some minor differences of emphasis. So let me tell you about this war and how it is shaping up. Hint: I have credible neutral “war correspondent” status because I was born in 1974.

Anatomy of a Hidden Corporate War

The three incidents which got me clued in, suitably anonymized, are the following. I end each anecdote with my in-the-moment reaction. Ask yourself, as you read these, what caused the dissonance at the heart of each incident.

The Reassuring Consultant

Early (and by that I mean less than two years ago of course) in my social media cheer-leading efforts at work, I was a participant in a workshop organized by our IT organization, led by a self-styled middle-aged social media consultant who’d been brought in to help us think about 2.0 strategy. He was a great guy and engaging speaker, and made several sophisticated and thought-provoking points. But throughout, he kept returning to the reassuring theme that there wasn’t much new going on. He reassured us that these things come and go in cycles, and that 2.0/SM were really just the latest labels for what used to be called KM. And then he told us all about his recommended KM-informed strategy to respond to the social media trend.

Throughout the talk, I had a distinct sense of unease, of being on the deck of the Titanic listening to a fiddler playing a soothing melody designed to distract from the consequential elements of the situation. But I couldn’t figure out the source of my unease.

The Skirmish at the Conference

A few months later, I was one of four panelists at an industry symposium, where our theme was social media. An older panelist from another company, architect of a major, moderately successful, stable and decade-old KM effort — call him B — went first. He completely ignored new elements in the technology and forcefully presented the design pattern for his success as the design pattern for success (his was an approach I’d call waterfall social engineering, involving elaborate up-front charters, courting of subject-matter experts (SMEs) and “stakeholders” and formal launch events).

I admit I sometimes like to set the cat among the pigeons just out of sheer bloodymindedness, so when my turn came, I changed my prepared script on the fly, and turned my talk into a deliberate antithesis of B’s talk. Partly I did it to wake up the somnolent audience, but partly because I truly did disagree with almost everything B said. Where he advocated planning, I advocated ad-hoc experimentation. Where he advocated charters to declare expected value, I advocated a you’ll-know-it-when-you-see-it approach to discovering value. Where he talked about convincing SMEs, I argued that you should just watch for opinion leaders to emerge. Now, a year later, I know what subconscious itch made me play contrarian. At the time though, it was just me having a bit of fun (and the audience enjoyed it — several people came up to me later and said they really appreciated me saying the things I did).

Still, I left the event feeling rather bad about having caused some polarization instead of driving towards a synthesis. Though he had a rather annoyingly pedantic manner, B really did know his stuff, and there was value in what he said.

The Insistent Expert

The third example came via a meeting where I was supposed to informally provide some consulting input to a manager from another internal organization at my company. The manager in question had been chartered by a senior manager to look into creating an online community for a certain purpose, and had probably been asked to “reach out” to me. This sort of thing happens fairly often to me (once you get labeled as a social media go-to guy, you get sucked into all sorts of “reach-out” conversations). In this particular case though, I recall the conversation being particularly difficult and going nowhere. At least three times in the conversation, the manager repeated, rather insistently, “I am a certified Knowledge Manager; I know how to do this stuff; I’ve done this before.” Finally, I gave up and closed the conversation politely. We were talking at cross-purposes, and he clearly had no intention of listening, being influenced, or acknowledging that changes in technology ought to motivate a re-examination of existing best practices.

Again, I did not doubt the good faith or competence of the person on the other end of the conference call, but I was left wondering why this conversation had been so frustrating when other, similar conversations, had been vastly more productive.

I have a whole bunch of other examples filed away, but these should be enough to give you an idea of what’s going on inside and in-between enterprises today.

The 5 Social Dimensions of the War

I believe these incidents are symptoms of a hidden KM-SM war. You’ll either dismiss this inference as a figment of my imagination, or enthusiastically resonate. I am not attempting to persuade the doubters as to the existence of a war, but to educate the resonators about some of the details. So I won’t attempt a detailed argument, but just move ahead with the assumption that there really is an ongoing cultural war. If you aren’t in the choir, well, move on. Nothing to see here.

The uber-cause of this war is that Knowledge Management was conceived as a top-down Boomer (born 1946 - 62) management effort, created by this generation just as it was moving into leadership positions. Social Media, on the other hand, is a Millenial/Gen Y (born 1980 -) movement. This overall generational cultural divide has shaped the ongoing corporate cultural war. This leads to vast, and I mean truly VAST, differences in how the two movements approach enterprise social engineering (for background, try Generation Blend by Rob Salkowitz, which I reviewed and summarized on my blog). The salient points:

  1. Gen X is Currently Neutral: Crucially — and this is why I am a neutral — neither movement reflects or overtly conflicts with, the values of Gen X (born: 1963 - 1980). I was born in 1974, which should explain why I claim neutral status. This neutrality of Gen X is crucial: they were the foot-soldiers of the top-down KM movement, and are today the leaders and mentors of the bottom-up SM movement, as they move into middle and senior management. Neither set of ideas is due to X’ers in any significant degree. Due to its small size (in the US, there are 78 million Boomers, about 51 million Gen X’ers and about 80 million Millenials) and its fundamentally pragmatic, as opposed to visionary/world-changing mindset, Gen X is the crucial swing vote in this culture war — we don’t have either the personalities or the numbers to dictate how the world should be run, but we are smart enough and numerous enough to make a difference by picking a side. So far, we’ve been neutral. Which way we eventually swing will be the most important element of this war.
  2. KM is about ideology, SM is about the fun of building: Salkowitz notes that the Millenials are the first generation since the “Greatest” (WW II veterans, born 1901 - 25) generation that likes to build (social institutions that is). Building for the sheer pleasure of building, and because the possibilities exist. Nothing describes the motivation behind the creation of Facebook better than “because it was possible.” KM on the other hand, arose from a generation that cut its teeth on disestablishmentarianism (I’ve always wanted to use that in a sentence!). The Boomers objected to the world built by the “Greatests” and their kids the “Silents,” (b. 1925 - 45) on moral grounds, and tried (and failed, outside, say, Ojai, California) to reinvent the world. So they reluctantly “sold out,” went all establishment, and when they finally got those Vice-President titles and a chance to set the agenda, they revived the ideology of their counter-cultural youth and made it corporate policy. KM came from that ethos, and is still more idea than reality. SM, on the other hand, is mostly cool stuff without any grand ideological design behind it (which explains in part why it is so hard to define).
  3. The Boomers don’t really get or like engineering and organizational complexity: This is a provocative statement, to be sure, but I stand by it. Yes, some of the most brilliant conceptual advances in information technology came from Boomers. They built the early prototypes behind most of the computing infrastructure of the world (the PARC personal computing pioneers were Boomers for instance). But it was Gen X that actually scaled-up and built-out the complex production-standard IT infrastructure of the world (and thereby learned about complexity by creating it). The Millenials learned to understand complexity even better than us X’ers, by being born into it. By contrast, not only do Boomers not get complexity, they are suspicious of it, thanks to their early cultural training which deifies simplicity. The result of this difference is that Boomer management models rely too much on simplistic ideological-vision-driven ideas. Consider, for instance, the classic Boomer idea of creating “communities of practice” with defined “Charters” and devoted to identifying “Best Practices.” No Gen X’er or Millenial would dare to reduce the complexity of real-world social engineering to a fixed “charter” or presume to nominate any work process as “best.” At best, X’ers and Millenials might create the first iteration target of a Scrum-style sprint and let the charter just evolve. I suspect, as Gen X’ers and Millenials take over, that the idea of vision and mission statements will be quietly retired in favor of more dynamic corporate navigation constructs.
  4. The Millenials don’t really try to understand the world: If us X’ers share with the Millenials an appreciation for complexity that the Boomers lack, we share with the Boomers a taste for big-picture synthesis that simply doesn’t seem to attract the Millenials (perhaps they are just too young at the moment). This is a subtle point, so let me try to explain it. The Boomers liked the idea of world views, and tried to frame both what they were for, as well as what they were against (think Star Wars) in monolithic ways. Mental models of the world that a single person could get. James Michener’s The Drifters represents one articulation of such a world view. Here’s the thing: Millenials fundamentally cannot think this way because of the deeply collaborative nature of their cultural DNA. They seem happy understanding and working with their piece of the puzzle, trusting that the larger body politic will be manifesting and working according to a reasonable understanding of the world. Gen X, in this sense, manages a curious compromise. We like world-views, but as anti-visionaries, we don’t like to just make them up arbitrarily (and definitely not in the form of a novel or the lyrics to a song). Our world view is a pragmatic one that accommodates complexity by trying to make it a very rich, data-driven one. Wikipedia (founded by Gen X’ers, Jimmy Wales, b. 1966, and Larry Sanger, b. 1968) is a classic Gen X-led attempt to understand the world. It has none of the incomprehensible complexity of Facebook-as-implicit-model-of-the-world, but neither does it have the doctrinaire vacuity of typical Boomer manifestos that try to dictate how the world should be, with no real attempt to figure out how it is.
  5. Boomers speak with words, X’ers with numbers, Millenials with actions: If you are wondering how a significant corporate cultural war can be in progress without making headlines, it is because the three generations involved process the world with different primary cognitive stances. The Boomers attempt to understand the world with words, and the best they can do is talk to themselves. The Gen X’ers try to avoid conflict by seeking solace in data and a relentless focus on reality. The Millenials are blissfully unaware of larger dynamics and just go ahead and create.

So that’s the war for you, from a social perspective. These five major dissonance themes are at the heart of many an inconclusive and unproductive business meeting around social media. But it isn’t all a social story. Technology matters.

The 5 Technological Dimensions of the War

One of the statements I’ve heard repeated endlessly and moronically, is that the technology does not matter. That it is all about the people. This is simply not true for all sorts of reasons (the most important being the medium is the message, per Marshall McLuhan, b. 1911, Greatest Generation).

One of the clearest pieces of evidence that technology matters, is in the subtle differences in emphasis for comparable technologies from the KM and SM eras that are helping frame the ongoing war.

  1. Expertise locators are not social networks: Many companies today want internal “Facebook” (Millenial) or LinkedIn (Gen X) type systems. In management conversations, you’ll often hear the overall requirement being described as an “Expertise Locater” systems. While technically, all three may be similar, the idea of an expert really comes from the Boomer yearning for community opinion leaders with the moral authority to form a priestly elite. Gen X’ers just want to see social graph data, Millenials just want to connect indiscriminately. For the X’er and Millenial, an “expert” is a situational role based on whoever owns the eyeballs for whom a bug is shallow. X’er and Millenial designed Q&A forums tend to be egalitarian. Boomer KMers though, love the idea of a “subject matter expert” or SME and design this preference into technology. Systems designed around “ask an expert” design principles — the signature of a Boomer at the helm — are subtly different from epistemologically-egalitarian ones.
  2. Online Communities are not USENET V3.0: Three generations of online community technology, reflecting distinct cultural values, exist today. The distinctly counter-cultural USENET is a Boomer technology (culturally). Though USENET was organized by content, its overarching architecture is driven by a community-consensus ontological process with its own dark side (the alt.* groups versus the ones created through RFC-RFP democratic processes). Gen X’ers, responsible for the anarchic proliferation of organized-by-content Web bulletin boards and the anti-communitarian construct of the individual blog, true to their data-driven pragmatism, made content (data) king. Finally, the Millenials created their generation of ideology-indifferent online communities around social networks where groups are not Good or Evil, but just are, and where people again are the focal point, over content. I am uncomfortable even applying the “container” metaphor of “community” to the Millenial architectures — they have a leakiness and porosity that only works with the label “network.” Curiously, Facebook groups typically allow anyone to join via a network affiliation. LinkedIn groups tend to have a lot of gatekeeping.
  3. RSS and Mash-ups are Gen-X ideas: Like Wikipedia, RSS and Mash-ups are culturally Gen X ideas, since they are motivated by the pragmatic intent to reuse code and content to conquer overwhelming complexity.
  4. SemWeb Isn’t Next-Gen, it is Last-Gen: If the Gen X’ers adopted the idea of a folksonomy-driven world-view (Wikipedia) for pragmatic purposes, and if the Millenials are merrily tagging everything in sight with no larger end in view, the Boomers didn’t go away quietly. Curiously, what is billed as a modern, next-generation, “3.0″ idea — the Semantic Web — is actually a Last-Gen idea in some ways (Tim Berners-Lee, evangelist-in-chief, is a Boomer, born 1955). SemWeb was born of the same culture as KM (and separated by birth from it by the firewall). Characteristically, both KM and SemWeb set a lot of store by controlled vocabularies and ontologies as drivers of IT architecture. The idea that Web 2.0 distracts from SemWeb isn’t a technical opinion: it is the Boomers expressing disappointment in their children for not caring about World Peace. Now this isn’t to say that the idea of systematic ontological engineering is a bad one. At a purely technical level, chances are that some mix of folksonomic and more deliberate approaches will prevail (and here you hear my pragmatic Gen X voice, so this isn’t as “technical” an opinion as I’d have liked it to be). The interesting thing to note is that the technical argument tends to be largely a rationalization of a psychological one.
  5. SOA and SaaS are Gen X; Clouds are Millenial: It seems likely that Service-Oriented Architecture and Software as a Service will play a big part in the creation of Enterprise 2.0. The lack of right-brained creativity in the acronyms alone should tell you that they represent Gen X attempts to conquer complexity in a pragmatic and potentially ugly way. But the notion of “Cloud” is a curious one. It is in the same family of technology ideas as SOA and SaaS, but unlike them, is metaphoric. But it is curiously devoid of ideological overtones. That signals that it is culturally a Millenial idea (I’d bet a small sum that whoever came up with the term was born after 1975 — a late X’er or a Millenial).

How the War Will End

It takes no great genius to predict how the war will end. The Boomers will retire and the Millenials will win by default, in a bloodless end with no great drama. KM will quietly die, and SM will win the soul of Enterprise 2.0, with the Gen X leadership quietly slipping the best of the KM ideas into SM as they guide the bottom-up revolution.

And it won’t be just a victory of fashion. It will be a fundamental victory of the better idea. SM is an organic, protean, creative and energetic force. KM is a brittle, mechanical, anxiety and fear-ridden structure. It is telling that the biggest KM concern is the potential loss of Boomer knowledge, a backward-looking preservation/archival concern, while the biggest current SM concern is probably the heart-stopping excitement around the possibilities of mobile devices and the potential Web-top-enabling Google Chrome.

Let me end with a personal note that hints at how I was won over by the Millenial creation of Social Media. Back in 2002 or so, in a fit of enthusiasm, I created a virtual community for an organization I was part of, using the rather KM-style early SaaS offering, CommunityZero. When a young, Millenial colleague first enthusiastically told me about wikis, I actually resisted briefly, in a sort of passive-aggressive way, because I didn’t believe such a disorganized approach could work. I was wrong (obviously), and converted.

The tragedy of Gen X is that we will not be remembered as a big-idea generation. We will likely be remembered, via a footnote (much like the Silents), as the generation which made the fateful decision to trust the creativity of the generation following it over the values of the generation that came before.

Venkatesh G. Rao writes a blog on business and innovation at www.ribbonfarm.com, and is a Web technology researcher at Xerox. The views expressed in this blog are his personal ones and do not represent the views of his employer.

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46 Responses to “Social Media vs. Knowledge Management: A Generational War”

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  7. Dave Snowdenon 11 Oct 2008 at 2:14 am

    The technology stuff is reasonable, but the crude characterisation by age group is a nonsense. So called Boomers are amongst the highest adopters of social computing. Interestingly putting things into crude categories is a process based approach. People do not have ideas and attitudes by age group ….

  8. Mark Joneson 13 Oct 2008 at 8:18 am

    Excellent perspective with many very helpful insights. I agree with Tim, required reading.

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  10. Daniel J. Pritchetton 13 Oct 2008 at 10:18 am

    I enjoyed this writeup, particularly your differences of opinion with KM traditionalists at conference panels. Keep up the interesting writing!

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    Just FYI, there are a bunch of church folks we are also struggling with some of these same issues in our particular institutions. Thanks for giving us more language with which we can have more conversations.
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  17. Neil Olonoffon 19 Oct 2008 at 4:07 am

    It seems to me that Venkatesh has conflated several disparate elements into a supposed war that doesn’t exist. First, he’s generalized two run-ins with egotistical KM “guru” wannabes. The type certainly exists, but they really do not characterize KM or the majority of KM folk. Secondly he’s generalized age specific generational likes and dislikes, which Dave Snowden above neatly rebuts. In fact, at a conference the other day, noted Gen-X wiki gardener Chris Rasmussen commented that wiki participation is in no way generation specific – he noted that on Intellipedia, there are far fewer young participants and the serious users are all closer to Boomer age. Finally, the real connection between 2.0 and KM is in the area of “need to share”. KM has always espoused the basic value of knowledge sharing. That’s why most KM folks are extremely interested and involved in 2.0 technology, although, at bottom, half of them are not really technologists at all. The real war is within KM itself, between the technology adherents (lovers of expertise locators and other “systems”) and the storytellers and collaborators (lovers of the relational qualities of knowledge). You could possibly characterize them as modernists and postmodernists, or, for that matter, Appollonians and Dionysians. It’s fun and easy to draw facile dichotomies, especially generational ones. The point, though is, KM includes both categories, and there is a large percentage of those (like myself) with feet in both camps.

  18. Keith De La Rueon 19 Oct 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Venkat -

    There is no “war” between KM (as I view it) and Social Media. Social Media tools are highly relevant to KM. It appears that your view of KM may have been flavoured by the hype published by the IT vendors. Most KM practitioners (certainly most that I know and work with) view KM as being all about people, with the tools a secondary issue. Web 2.0 provides a fantastic new toolkit - one that is far more people-centric that the older tools - and is a great boon to real KM.

  19. Edon 20 Oct 2008 at 12:25 am

    it sounds to me like you have seen the rather unimaginative side of ‘KM’, with people with staid ideas and rather political goals, so it’s bound to look nonsense.

    yeah the original tech stuff wasn’t great but this has long since been recognised as such by all the imaginative km-ers, who are very keen adopters of new things that they can see work (not just adoption of new stuff because it is new, mind, that is one of the things that km-ers bring us is an assessment of the new social software, which is pointless is wielded evangelistically as many ’social media’ folk can be tempted to do).

    those who talk about knowledge who i know are imaginative, interested, thoughtful, structurally evolutionary, rather anti-political, organisationally ‘anarchic’ (kind of!), and not these rather dull sounding politics fan you speak of…

    thanks for the post!

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  22. Michael Novakon 24 Oct 2008 at 8:33 am

    Venkat seems to be confusing Knowledge Management with something else — but I’m not sure what.

    First he refers to KM as a “venerable IT-based social engineering” discipline. Just like the Holy Roman Empire was not holy, not Roman, and not an empire, KM is not venerable, not IT-based, and not about “social engineering” (whatever that is).

    Next, he speaks of three “incidents” that convince him there is a “war” going on between KM and Social Media. Sorry, Venkat, but this venerable old warhorse/statistician knows it takes more than incidents to make a war, and more than anecdotes to prove a point.

    Finally, he would have us believe that this “war” is somehow grounded in generational differences, and goes on to “prove” that through the use of strereotype. (Good thing he didn’t bring race or sex into his dissertaion. He could have gotten lots more people steamed up.)

    Whisch leads me to wonder: Who is Venkat, and why is he using the blogosphere to insult the intelligence of so many? Or is he, perhaps, an agent provocateur — blogging with a view to stirring up the pot and seeing what will happen?

  23. Nickyon 25 Oct 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Perhaps you’re talking to the “wrong” KMers.
    I think it is too simplistic to “divide and conquer” by age/generational divides. I also don’t think there’s as much as a disconnect between KM and the adoption of Social Media as you describe.

    More helpful than the either/or, winner/loser/war analogy would be how KM and SM can complement each other and more, how SM helps to meet company goals and business objectives. Like profit and market share.

    Knowledge management was a great improvement over the siloed approach. It was a major step forward and we should appreciate that rather than trashing it, just because Social Media has come along.

    “It is telling that the biggest KM concern is the potential loss of Boomer knowledge, a backward-looking preservation/archival concern, while the biggest current SM concern is probably the heart-stopping excitement around the possibilities of mobile devices and the potential Web-top-enabling Google Chrome.”

    I would say that this is a big concern and not just for KM - for enterprises. The Boomer retirement impact (loss of company knowledge) is not something that Social Media tools is going to solve or replace. I disagree it is backward looking, since unless you’re going to start an entire organisation from scratch the loss of that knowledge (and how to preserve, replace, diseminate and add to it) should be a major concern. I see Social Media being an enabler f/ex through wikis). Which is why the generational divides are not helpful for advocating adoption of SM.
    Social Media practitioners need to speak to How Social Media helps meet enterprise needs and business drivers, (including the forthcoming Boomer exodus) not simply expect companies (or functions) to hop on board because it’s the latest trendy, Gen X Google-enabled thing.

  24. [...] Social Media vs. Knowledge Management: A Generational War: You’d think Knowledge Management (KM), that venerable IT-based social engineering discipline which came up with evocative phrases like “community of practice,” “expertise locater,” and “knowledge capture,” would be in the vanguard of the 2.0 revolution. You’d be wrong. Inside organizations and at industry fora today, every other conversation around social media (SM) and Enterprise 2.0 seems to turn into a thinly-veiled skirmish within an industry-wide KM-SM shadow war… Read More on Entreprise 2.0 Blog. [...]

  25. Venkaton 27 Oct 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Very interesting new set of reactions; in some cases illuminating. I am especially intrigued by Michael Novak’s post:

    Venkat seems to be confusing Knowledge Management with something else — but I’m not sure what.

    First he refers to KM as a “venerable IT-based social engineering” discipline. Just like the Holy Roman Empire was not holy, not Roman, and not an empire, KM is not venerable, not IT-based, and not about “social engineering” (whatever that is).

    The very urge to frame debates according to canonical definitions is a KM way (a couple of the response posts also picked this rebuttal model) :). I stand by my anecdotal observation that in practice KM is IT-based and about ’social engineering’ in practice, whatever the attempts to define KM may have attempted. ‘Venerable’ was my attempt at humor about the rate at which things become ‘classic’ in IT. You don’t get to define what KM is based on your sense of what it ought to be.

    I find it particularly interesting that Michael can’t actually believe there are people who adopt the stance I do seriously! There is certainly a bit of ’stir the pot’ in my intent, but by and large, I stand by what I wrote, and I believe there is good evidence of a strong generational component in explaining what is going on.

    @Nicky: sometimes, when assumed consensus and false syntheses are gathering significant momentum, polarizations can help…

    @Neil — ‘facile dichotomy’? Umm… it did merit an entire book (Salkowitz’s, with several more in the pipeline that I’ve heard of). Hardly facile. In fact, the opposite appears to me to be true — the idea that the SM is basically what a proportion of KM’ers have always been about is fairly vacuous false synthesis.

    Finally, I should acknowledge those who suggest I look at a different population of practitioners, which, it is asserted, is more forward looking etc. Unfortunately, picking one population or the other within KM as ‘representative’ of the ‘true’ philosophy isn’t helpful. The other guys are still around.

    Finally, to return to Michael, venerable old statistician: I do have more than 3 anecdotes, but that’s not where I’ll defend my argument. I do in fact believe that well-designed statistical surveys etc. would produce evidence of my claims. But at a more fundamental level, truly complex phenomena require ethnographic/narrative analysis first, and statistical analysis later (or in some cases, never). To dismiss narrative analysis of anecdotal evidence is methodological short-sightedness.

    As for the repetitions of the accusations of generational stereotyping, I’ll let those pass; I believe I responded adequately already in my follow-up article. The insinuations-by-association of gender/race based analysis I will of course ignore.

    Thanks all, for a stimulating debate!

    Venkat

  26. seanabrady says:
    Is it a good idea to break do……

    Is it a good idea to break down KM and SM adoption in the enterprise by age? I am not sure. Dave Snowden’s comment to the article is quite clear that it does not. I am on the fence, but I think that the summary is true, Social Media type appli……

  27. Harshaon 11 Nov 2008 at 3:49 am

    Here is an example of where the two could co-exist and collaborate
    http://www.knowledgeboard.com/item/2860/23/5/3

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  29. Ed Callahanon 18 Nov 2008 at 7:10 pm

    V.K.:

    Beth Harte led me to you via a tweet.

    Great post. Very thoughtful. I agree with it in general despite the fact that as a boomer I hate being categorized in some of the ways you wrote about - even if they are mostly true imho.

    Ed

  30. Douglas Elmeson 23 Nov 2008 at 9:50 pm

    I personally disagree that there is a war between KM and SM. This could be because I define KM slightly differently to yo. To me Knowledge Management is purely about the transfer of knowledge.

    Knowledge Management is therefore not technology dependant. Effective KM can be enhanced by supporting technologies, and to me many of the “social media” applications tie in beautifully.

    I have found that when many people talk of KM they are talking more about Information Management or even Records Management rather than KM.

    To me if there was a war it would be between people who believe that knowledge needs to be controlled, and those people who believe that information needs to be shared. And to me both groups are missing the point, in that it really needs both. Knowledge Transfer needs to be done both in an organic manner and a controlled manner.

    In a corporate environment you would ideally have the technology that facilitates the easy development of communities of practice, of knowledge repositories that everybody can “garden”, whilst still having sufficient controls in place that allow “customer” facing documents and “official” documents to have been authorised appropriately etc. As well as technology that promotes the idea of voluntary contribution and sharing.

    You would have other business processes in place that help you transfer experience, rules of thumb, skills, as well as artefacts. (Yes I quite like the ASHEN model).

    My view could be coming from the fact that like anything you try to get people to do, rarely will it succeed if you only attack it from one end. To get a business to adopt an effective KM method you need to get it going from both the top-down and the bottom up. Most organisational change works that way.

    Heck, maybe I define KM differently to the way most people do.

    Regards
    1976.

  31. [...] to Venkatesh Rao in his Enterprise 2.0 Blog post Social Media vs. Knowledge Management: A Generational War, KM and SM are indeed at war, albeit an undeclared one.  Kind [...]

  32. [...] lesen: http://enterprise2blog.com/2008/09/social-media-vs-knowledge-management-a-generational-war/ Tags: enterprise 2.0, social media Share and [...]

  33. [...] of online writers trying to talk up a “war” between Social Media and KM. Venkatesh Rao started it here, where he tries to build a complex, demographic case for war (I like his book reviews, but this is [...]

  34. Monty Kalsion 29 Nov 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Knowledge Marketplace represents a new concept in Knowledge Management both within and outside an enterprise to propagate free flow of knowledge as it interacts as a social enterprise.

    In the new world “Knowledge” must be traded like any other commodity. The boundaries that once existed defining an organization are getting diffused due to the social interactions that the companies must play in the new world order.

    As Don Tapscott and Anthony Williams point out in Wikinomics the evolution of mass collaboration has fundamentally changed the perspective and the resulting sheer human ingenious.

    The operational risk of an organization can be substantially reduced, if they deploy a system that helps promote this free flow of knowledge interactions between the employees, customers, and partners alike. A Knowledge Marketplace allows organizations do just that by offering a loosely coupled and socially interactive Knowledge System for Enterprises (Enterpise 2.0)

    I don’t see KM and SM necessary at war but rather two complimentery ideas that can harmonize to create the enterprise of the future.

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  35. Thinking Out Loudon 04 Dec 2008 at 12:11 pm

    [...] it is that of the digital immigrants, or Gen X (which has been identified as a possible digital transition group, and to which I admit being a senior member), or simply a cross-section of digital newbies, [...]

  36. [...] November 27, 2008 by arumugamsp Venkatesh Rao (a web technology researcher at Xerox) is not very fond of KM especially the Knowledge  Managers. Here is what he has to say… Interesting! http://enterprise2blog.com/2008/09/social-media-vs-knowledge-management-a-generational-war/ [...]

  37. John Matthewson 10 Dec 2008 at 11:56 am

    Rather than pursue an entrenched conflict between “old school” knowledge management and social media perhaps the discussion should revolve around the convergence of the two. The term Knowledge Media is not new but perhaps now more appropriate than ever to capture the essence of social Knowledge Management. If anyone is interested two papers of note that have discussed the idea of knowledge media are “The Web of Knowledge Media Design” by Professor Ron Baecker from 1997 and “The Next Knowledge Medium” by Mark Stefik from 1986. Mark Stefik remains active in the area of social media and social knowledge management research at Xerox PARC.

    As a parting thought, another related area of convergence today is of social media and artificial intelligence or more specifically natural language processing. Many of the social media monitoring and analytics systems and services use natural language processing to interpret consumer discussions taking place on social media to provide insight to marketing managers about what is being said about their brands in the social mediasphere. How long before these same systems and services or similar start applying smart analysis to make connections between social media conversations and to infer other collective insight from these discussions to produce new knowledge of use far beyond marketing and product management applications. This is one scenario for where the future convergence of social media and knowledge management is headed.

  38. [...] before I get flamed again (the memory of my SM vs. KM posts is still fresh) for bringing up generational differences in attitudes and behaviors, let me hasten [...]

  39. [...] ich finde die Bezeichnung Krieg etwas übertrieben aber dennoch ein guter Artikel von Venkatesch Rao zum Thema Social Media (SM) vs. Knowledge Management (KM), er bringt mal eine [...]

  40. [...] In a noted blog posted on September 28, 2008, Venkatesh Rao made a number of claims about the relationship between the KM and social media movements. I’ll end this examination of the relationships between KM and the 2.0 cluster by using aspects of my previous analysis to examine his primary claims about the existence of a culture war between KM and social media. Here are some quotes from his post. [...]

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  42. aparr62on 15 Mar 2009 at 2:17 pm

    This isn’t about individual groups having individual differences that add up collectively to some kind of war, but more like the effects of a broader social-historical phase shift. The paradigm has shifted from a static, simple, ontology to a dynamic complex one, although I’ve seen some hangers-on even amongst the younger generation. The apparent generational thing is a result of the fact that in any cultural era, who is able to rise to the surface will change and who gets trampled under will change. I bet the Myers-Briggs NPs have the advantage today, while they were lost in space a few years ago. SJs might be in a bit of trouble now but have ruled for years - that’s a random speculation, but it may be interesting to investigate.

  43. Tom Grealyon 06 Apr 2009 at 7:08 am

    Venkatesh

    Thankyou for a very stimulating article - it has really made me think and will probably keep me thinking until the next generation after the Millenials come along! I work at an aerospace company and we invested in KM initially from the perspective of laziness - an often underated motivating force: -
    Q - How can I get this computer to do more stuff?
    A - Get it to process knowledge rather than data.

    Once the KM team matured, they naturally worked furiously on COP, Yellow Pages and Lessons Learned projects - only to see their work rather overtaken by the Web2.0 / KM2.0 / Enterprise2.0 /SM2.0 tsunami. The penny is dropping in our KM team now and they are starting to surf the SM wave now.

    I’d like to throw in another pattern for consideration: - Witch Burning. I’m led to believe that the whole witch buring thing was a result of the new profession of Doctor trying to establish it’s own legitimacy - by calling it’s competition witches and having them burned. Then everyone started calling themselves a doctor. It struck me how many email administrators call themselves Knowledge Managers these days….

    I still reckon the laziness factor is underated in your article - I use SM purely and only if it is useful to me. I reckon that’s why a bag-of-hammers “product” like Facebook is so popular, it’s just useful enough to me so that I’m prepared to put information that the marketeers (who run FB) want from me on it. The rationale for an internal corporate FB (in large corporations) is perfectly logical - the board would be able to understand the employees and their networks for the first time - whilst the employees would be supplied with something that takes some of the tedium out of maintaining their network. The trick is to not tell either the Employees or the Board the rationale!

    Thanks once again for a very stimulating read

  44. [...] Venkat created an interesting post today on Enterprise 2.0 Blog » Blog Archive » Social Media vs. Knowledge …Here’s a short outlinefew weeks ago, my pal Venkatesh Rao, who usually blogs at Ribbon Farm, wrote a terrific piece over at Enterprise 2.0 Blog discussing the growing disconnect between the traditional Knowledge [...] … [...]

  45. Ted McLaughlanon 16 Jun 2009 at 9:07 am

    Really well-written argument, and obviously fodder for much more follow-up - I found this after reading an SM-challenged entry in a KM forum, and thinking whether there was a good KM vs. SM dichotomy to point to…

  46. [...] over a drink next week on this question or any of our other favorite topics like culture change, KM vs. SM [...]

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